Monday, April 18, 2011

GIMP 2.8 schedule on tasktaste.com

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A GIMP 2.8 release date matters a great deal to a lot of people. It matters to users because it will bring some long awaited features to them. It matters to book publishers because they would like to have books ready. It matters to translators because they want translations to be done. It matters to GIMP developers because it is an important milestone in the history of GIMP development.

Estimating completion of software projects is tricky however, especially for projects driven on a volunteer and spare-time basis like GIMP. An estimate of a GIMP 2.8 release date will by nature be volatile and keep changing to the day GIMP 2.8 is finally released. There needs to be an easy way for people to keep themselves updated with the GIMP 2.8 development progress and release date estimate.

After realizing this I started to look for a tool that could help. I knew I wanted a schedule to be a public web page with no login required. I wanted this web page to be graphic, visualizing progress. I also wanted it to be easy to keep up to date, and I wanted it to be free and open source. I did not find a tool like this, so I decided to write my own. The result is tasktaste.com. Go ahead and create a project schedule yourself!

The GIMP 2.8 schedule is found here. Whenever you want to update yourself with GIMP 2.8 development progress and get an automatically calculated release date estimate, simply revisit that page.

32 Comments:

At April 18, 2011 at 8:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice tool :) how easily can you add other projects to tasktaste?

Btw. I'm wondering how much time do one need to learn the structure of gimp's code... in order to start contributing :)

Best regards,
Marek

 
At April 19, 2011 at 8:17 AM , Anonymous Fahad Al-Saidi said...

I am looking forward to see GIMP 2.8. In meantime, what happens to the idea: " A full-time worker paid by donations ". I read the topic here: http://old.nabble.com/2.8-schedule%2C-donations-and-krita-td27168502.html
I think that it is a good idea and there are many people are willing to donate.

Kind regards,

 
At April 19, 2011 at 10:10 AM , Blogger Guyou said...

Task-Taste seems interesting.

But I suggest you to add some notice about how the estimation is done: is it just linear, or something related to Scrum velocity (computing velocity with knowledge of past events).

 
At April 19, 2011 at 8:17 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you. This helps. I'm looking forward to the growth of GIMP.

 
At April 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is appalling. Only 63 8 hour days to 2.8 release. It's late April. With 3 devs working, that's 3-4 weeks. Where's my freakin wallet? Let's all pitch in so these guys can get to work!

 
At April 22, 2011 at 7:27 AM , Anonymous Jose Roberto Navas said...

I was thinking in some feature requests for Tasktaste:
- Let the users to subscribe to public project schedules (e.g. It would be nice if I can login in tasktaste and then see a link to the GIMP 2.8 schedule or some other projects I subscribed to)
- In the schedule page, where the "tasks left" appear, it would be nice if the tasks that have been completed, appear with a crossed line (line-through).

Thanks Martin! I think we all benefit of seeing the progress of GIMP 2.8 development :)

 
At May 2, 2011 at 8:26 AM , Blogger MetteHHH said...

Thanks Martin,

Great tool. Too bad that at present, several months after the first data entry on the graph, there is absolutely no indication of progress: The number of unsolved bugs increased at the start up of the tracking graph, then remains unchanged for the last four weeks.

I have no idea how the projected finish date is estimated, but it seems to me right now it ought to be infinity?

Good luck, don't mean to be sarcastic or discouraging. It's just that right now, the graph is.

Best,
Mette

 
At May 7, 2011 at 12:53 AM , Anonymous Mike said...

A small rant from an ex-gimp user here......

I have been such an avid GIMP user for years now, and at this point I think I am giving up on the project completely. Years of baseless projections will do that. Why do you guys even bother talking about it publicly still? At this point do you think the majority of users actually believe any 'release dates' or projections?

Well, good job releasing another pointless product schedule that more then likely is nowhere near reality. I personally know and have seen other developers offer their time and help, only to be ignored or rejected. But after diving into the source I understand, I would be embarrassed by that mess as well.

You guys have managed to take what could have been and really WAS a staple of the open source community and let it die. Great Job!

 
At May 7, 2011 at 12:56 AM , Anonymous Mike said...

Oh, I forgot to mention. If you ever actually put some time into making another release I would do as others have suggested and change the name. The stigma attached to the name GIMP now is something I do not believe you will ever be able to overcome.

 
At May 8, 2011 at 3:01 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Martin,

Now I restore system - recently has lost many files on a disk. And people "press" on you with release of version 2.8.But when will 2.8 and if it will be interesting to you, I shall send you references to some editors with interesting decisions.

Nik

 
At May 22, 2011 at 12:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

After reading what Mike said, I just wanted to say I appreciate your and others efforts.

Don't get discouraged, haters gunna hate. I have really appreciated the work going into selection tools and cleaning up / redesigning the UI. The GIMP team made me see that sometimes there is more value in cleaning up and redesigning a GUI than there is in adding a new feature.

Personally I find it hard to use Photoshop in the rare occasion that I have to. You know why? The square/round selection tool is painful to use when compared to GIMP. Who would of thought such a simple tool so elegantly implemented would make all the difference in the world to me :).

 
At June 4, 2011 at 2:33 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Martin,

I read various opinions (on other sites) about expectation of the new version of editor Gimp.I have thought involuntarily, that with " impatience wait " the prompt output of the new version people in general far from professional work with images. Any person working daily with images, requires first of all good work of the editor,instead of available "the new version".And this person interests new opportunities of the editor,instead of " the prompt output " new version.

For example, I am compelled to use about ten free-of-charge editors (but this "assembly" in many respects surpasses opportunities of pack of editor a Photoshop) in the system (by XnWiev) and me more interests a occurrence would like parts of these opportunities in Gimp,than "the version with one window".
The more professional functions will be in editor a Gimp, the more it people will use."One window" is a thing minor.

Nik

 
At June 4, 2011 at 9:16 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

p.s.

because of an opportunity of casual loss of files, and I should restore now all practically from zero, I think will be correct if or others " interesting decisions " I from time to time shall send those to you.
> http://files.mail.ru/6QZ3EP - here screenshots with explanatories from one editor and two plug-ins.

I hope it it will be interesting to you.

Nik

 
At June 14, 2011 at 6:00 PM , Blogger VeggieT said...

@Nik,

1st: I'm just curious, what is your native language?

2nd: Do you mean to say that Gimp in many ways does better than photoshop? If so than yes I agree completely.

Though I'm really excited about the single window interface as it will set GIMP apart from photoshop in terms of ease of use. I can't stand PS's windows within main window approach, and would like nothing to obscure any portion of any window.

 
At June 15, 2011 at 1:19 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

> VeggieT

1 - I live in Russia.I sometimes write not attentively (similarly to XnWiev instead of XnView) - certain "semi-automatic" mode of a writing at weariness.
2 - I use Gimp.I began to use Gimp as this editor edits images much more qualitatively,than Photoshop.My brother(> http://www.sites.google.com/site/sindokogames/) works with last package a Photoshop and I can compare these editors without problems.As I work through XnView to me "the multiwindows mode" is more convenient."An one-window mode" the reason for greater weariness for eyes.This problem is familiar to much who should work long with images.I when have found Gimp thought,that someone has guessed to make mobile windows that eyes made small movement,removing a pressure from muscles of eyes.And "was surprised", when has learned,that is planned to make Gimp by "one-window".

Nik

 
At June 15, 2011 at 1:24 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Martin,

Here > http://files.mail.ru/BP48VW screenshots and the description of interesting functions in one big and one small editor.Approximately 5-7 days this reference will be accessible.
I hope it it will be interesting to you.

Nik

 
At June 18, 2011 at 11:43 PM , Anonymous Mike said...

To the anonymous people laying claim that, impatient people are far from 'professional with images' or 'work on a daily basis'. Or 'haters going to hate'..

Wake up you morons, the majority of the professional world use photoshop for a reason. Gimp once had a chance to take a part of that market and was gaining ground, but the delusional developers have let that time come and go.

And to the statement about, that I believe was about atleast, wanting a stable release instead of a 'quick release'. Have you been living under a rock? Gimp developers are KNOWN for developing a new feature/tool until it is somewhat functional and then taking years to actually spend any time fixing the bugs after the initial 'wow factor' release of the tool/feature has warn off. They don't give two shits about releasing stable work. If they did they would have committed to a set feature set in the new release and worked out those features until they worked. Instead they have jumped from feature to feature building up just enough to get a somewhat functional prototype of the feature before abandoning it and moving on. Heres a hint, google for some articles about the single window mode and learn about its development over the last few years. The developers themselves STILL do not have a concrete idea of how they want it to fully function.

 
At June 19, 2011 at 3:50 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for letting me post anonymously here,

Someone should be getting paid to work on GiMP. There are users who want to donate money to this Someone, Someone who consistently pushes GiMP's development and maintenance. Martin Nordholts and Oyvind Kolas would be good candidates for this role.

I made this suggestion in #gimp and I was treated like an enemy there. The GiMP organization will not give money to developers -it will only pay for plane trips and convention tickets.

I do not want to contribute money to those. I want to contribute money to a developer who is making the GiMP better. Furthermore, I want my money to go to that developer with a NO STRINGS ATTACHED GUARANTEE so that they may spend that money however they choose. Hooray for dignity. The GiMP website should offer a mechanism for doing this and that would be a far more useful thing than your tasktaste tool.

See Joseph Eagar who was working on blender's b-mesh.

I remember reading a magazine interview featuring Oyvind Kolas several years ago. He said he thought gimp 2.8 would be finished in a year or two with 3.0 close behind.

 
At June 19, 2011 at 5:05 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

>
If to take logic of construction of work in Photoshop - that it is the program for idiots.I do not speak about quality of processing of the image,I speak about construction of logic of work.Probably it will surprise - I had an opportunity to study (approximately more than two years)logic of development of people in construction of processing of the image both in use by Photoshop,and by Gimp.And results not in favour of Photoshop.

I long enough worked with Photoshop that it is enough устать from it.I had to create at that time одтельную a collection of filters(and very much greater)to compensate lacks Photoshop.And through this collection of filters there was a first project on modernization of old versions.So I recommended much one of simple ways of modernization - installation of program Helicon Filter which for Russia had the free-of-charge version and was established by a plug-in in Photoshop (now version 4.93 free-of-charge for all)
> http://www.heliconsoft.com
They are the ukrainian developers.It is the specialized program for processing the image (not for design).
Still an example - in basis Lightroom company Adobe has bought the program of company Pixmantec.(> http://www.lightroom.ru/software/40-83.html).Company Pixmantec let out two versions - commercial and free-of-charge.And many expert estimations considered it as the best program for processing RAW of files for platform Windows.It is simple about that - that developers in Adobe independently could not develop algorithm of processing of the image.I used program Pixmantec Raw Shooter Essentials.And by the moment of when I have got acquainted with program Gimp - I knew and worked with many programs,the received good estimations of experts.Standard set of Gimp solved many problems in processings the image.I even do not speak about logic of construction of work.

I,for example,to children in general would not allow to work with the image in Photoshop.

Nik

 
At June 19, 2011 at 5:31 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has read a post about financing >

I hold the opinion, that the free-of-charge qualitative software first of all is necessary for the state for maintenance of development of a society.For some reason the state finds money to support bankers, motor industry,etc.,and money for development of a society - is not present.Or development of children - not investments into the future?The second source of financing - it is business which is interested in the same development of a society and people.And already then - private investments(donation).

Blender - the good program(I looked cartoon films 3D made in this editor).It is good,that children can to load this editor and study to create something.Probably now somewhere studies on this editor - "new Hayao Miyazaki(宮崎 駿)".

Nik

 
At June 19, 2011 at 7:12 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

> and,
still one more example - when on the contrary the commercial program after was purchase by other company - became free-of-charge.It editor - Expression.Functional enough program.I do not know than company Microsoft in this decision was guided, but nevertheless now this editor free-of-charge and it it is possible to load from site Microsoft. >

http://www.microsoft.com/expression/expression-design/download.aspx

Nik

 
At June 19, 2011 at 10:12 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

>
to Martin - I was mistaken,now it is the commercial program.("M" is "M")

> http://files.mail.ru/JEKQ0X - here some examples of use of "a multiwindows mode"(if it is interesting).As it is not strange, but the logic of editor Gimp directs at such creation "of images shuttle" (so for fun I name the software package on the basis of Gimp and XnView).Such parameters of use of "blocks" are looked through in Gimp.

Nik

 
At June 19, 2011 at 11:35 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

p.s.

It is "surprising",but three days ago I under that reference has loaded the editor(which today any more was not).
If someone is interesting for looking this editor here I have placed that file > http://files.mail.ru/VXNFJU

Nik

 
At June 20, 2011 at 5:49 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

its me anonymous again,

'AI' presence in forums and comments pages (for example, the three posts by 'Nik' above) really give me the creeps.

 
At June 20, 2011 at 11:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hello Martin,

Here I have placed screenshots two other editors > http://files.mail.ru/E806GN

I hope it it will be interesting.

Nik

p.s. apologies for set of posts - simply rationally of use a time "Summer with...".if this or that information will serve any new ideas for programmers,it is not so bad.

 
At June 21, 2011 at 4:11 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

p.s.
I understand nothing in programming,but practically daily I work with images and so - from year to year.Processing of images is the world with a lot of the technologies,decisions,a set of programs (at everyone).But till now not created the editor who would collect a "basis".Gimp - the program most suitable for it.Many children stop to be engaged in a photo, design - only that it is complex to reach such result which they see at more senior.In a reality - already the high-grade editor(the editor with a greater "tooling") for work for a long time is necessary.(I shall not mention a theme,why Photoshop and close does not solve these questions to not bother "the american patriotism".)Personally I comfortably enough use the big set of programs,plug-ins and different "complete sets of packages".I do not participate in discussions.I simply express this or that opinion.I more than am assured,that at the certain organization not the problem to achieve "financial support" from different levels.But for this purpose it is necessary to make "the project of the free-of-charge software" clear for logic of understanding of the same officials,business."To explain" to them,that such " investments into people",instead of "commercial investments".Etc.In work of development of editor of Gimp just the majority of questions - in the organization of system of maintenance of the project.I, unfortunately, do not have opportunity to finance this project.But if such opportunity was,I would advise Martin less "to listen to various opinions",and it is more to rely on logic of the program.Similarly to commercial projects would develop the program of prospect of development of this editor,on the basis of studying(not interrogation of opinion,etc.) opinions of some groups of users.Gimp - the serious project and demands the same financing and the organization.

Nik

 
At June 21, 2011 at 5:16 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, Mike, here's a novel idea. Why don't you shut your ranting, panty-twisted, blubbering, semi-hysterical, astroturfing, ill-informed, incoherent, anxiety-revealing, oral aperture and check out some code and start fixing some of these mysterious bugs that you alone seem to think make Gimp unacceptable.

Oh, that's right...like most of the people in the world who seem to spend most of their time just hating, you have no ability to actually do the constructive thing, so you haunt the open source world spewing what amounts to profane tantrums.

Please. Go back to Photoshop...and Facebook....and the Tea Party...and whatever other low-life haunts you inhabit...and let the rest of us get on with actual work.

 
At June 21, 2011 at 11:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

to Martin,

Basically that minimum which about which I wished to leave the information,I downloaded.
"Simplicity" - only illusion...
I saw video on YouTube as the person does the formula "Tai Chi".I do not speak about the formula "Tai".In fact same it is not difficult to see other formula even a level "Taichiquan"...
It is impossible to feel though any emotions to that is not created - Photoshop.

It only a wind...And many see only reflexion of themselves...

Nik

 
At June 26, 2011 at 1:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey mister anonymous, are you retarded? Bugs are not 'mysterious' if they are holding the devs back from making a 'stable' release(you know, the whole point of this post you are commenting on). And those are ONLY the bugs they are pushing to fix before the stable release.

Wake up and realize that everything I have said is FACT based. Conclusions drawn from personal experience, STATEMENTS FROM THE DEVELOPERS and my constant involvement in the OPEN SOURCE world.

So how about you get the stick out of your ass and realize that are your BASELESS claims about my personal are indeed baseless. While you can google for articles/posts about GIMP and you will find that everything I have said is fact based and WIDELY known.

 
At July 19, 2011 at 4:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://graphicall.org/gimp

After years of not you guys not offering something like this, the Blender guys get it sorted for you - this will at least let you offer builds of the latest version to all ( including Windows ) users.

 
At July 22, 2011 at 6:48 PM , Blogger VeggieT said...

This is awesome! Glad to hear the project is on track to finishing on time!

 
At December 7, 2011 at 1:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

No rush, boys, no rush. A couple of decades would be fine.

 

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